I honestly hope Oliver doesn't just take back the recruits at the end of the season but I know he will. He's already tried and they're basically working together anyway.

Every time Oliver saves them and apologizes yet again just to have Rene repeat his go to line "this still doesn't change anything hoss," I just want Oliver to shoot him.

I watch this show out of pure loyalty now. Everything went downhill after Laurel died and even if I didn't like her very much I'm almost begging TPTP to make Black Siren a sweetie.

@Mrsalty said:

Every time Oliver saves them and apologizes yet again just to have Rene repeat his go to line "this still doesn't change anything hoss," I just want Oliver to shoot him.

It's like they have to put that at the end of every episode "This doesn't change anything hoss". It's so terrible. It's like they just re-shot the same scene 5 times and are re-using it over and over.

Just finished Collision Course, the 4th episode after Divided and I am sooo done with the trope. Yes, Oliver, John, Felicity put surveillance on the others. They knew there was a breach and they didn't know if it coming from team or team being duped. To find truth had to keep circle small. Every group has clicks.

I get it. I just want to tell "Put your grown up pants on. " it isn't about the individual but the whole and protecting the average joe.

Plus. Dinah is way too out of control. Ugh.

Oliver has endured the most "loss" then anyone. Mom, dad, best friend, Laurel, baby momma, other on 5 year absence. Dang. Dinah, Curtis and Rene need to get a grip. Something's going to happen to put them all in danger. Oliver and John are going to be the ones to save them and then it'll be one big happy ending.

I just finished Collision Course as well, and I came here specifically to comment about how irritating the now-former Team Arrow members have been. How do they have the right to complain about Oliver surveilling them when he was proven right. Like Canima7 said, Curtis is the only one who legitimately has a gripe because he didn't betray the trust of the team. Also, their interference in the last episode completely destroyed any chance of recovering the city's money from Black Siren. It feels like the writer's are trying to make Dinah, Curtis, and Rene sympathetic to place into doubt whether the audience should root for Oliver anymore, but they are doing a horrible job of executing that goal.

You think the writers are trying to make Dinah, Curtis, and Rene sympathetic? I thought they were trying to build them up to become the next villains. Or that's just what I was hoping the writers were doing because every episode I find myself wanting them to be killed off a little bit more. There's just no good motivation behind all their anger yet still acting like they're the innocent victims in everything.

@poweranimals said:

I honestly hope Oliver doesn't just take back the recruits at the end of the season but I know he will. He's already tried and they're basically working together anyway.

I agree. I have no use for them either. I liked it better when it was just Oliver, Diggle, Thea, and Felicity.

@Mrsalty said:

Every time Oliver saves them and apologizes yet again just to have Rene repeat his go to line "this still doesn't change anything hoss," I just want Oliver to shoot him.

lol, he does say that often

Okay. I am not not loving this season. Now they have everyone deserting Oliver because of how he is acting. I am sorry. This is a group and not everyone is going to agree all the time. It seems like everyone on the team is getting very self centered. In last night's episode Felicity said she would always be there for Oliver and then in the preview for next season, she's telling him they need a break. WTF. It's getting to be poor writing to flip-flop sooo fast. I guess the writers feel like they have been building Oliver's character to be bad and controlling and whatever everyone else has been complaining about, but I have just developed more empathy for him and not everyone else.

It would get boring if there wasn't drama. I miss Oliver as a solo hero anyway.

The episode Fundamentals was better than I thought it would be. Glad the crazy things happening were from the Vertigo. I know there has to be some kind of drama but wasn't looking forward to back and forth of Oliver and Felicity.

I think the cast was getting too convoluted. Be good to scale it back some.

@canima7 said:

The episode Fundamentals was better than I thought it would be. Glad the crazy things happening were from the Vertigo. I know there has to be some kind of drama but wasn't looking forward to back and forth of Oliver and Felicity.

I think the cast was getting too convoluted. Be good to scale it back some.

agreed the show was best when it was just the 3. They over did it when they made the team full of trainees last season. Flash is now adding too many characters. Starting to think the show runners are just getting characters primed for Legends of tomorrow.

I hate this season. The fight between John & Oliver was so forced. And then Felicity running in at the end screaming too.. ugh.

Now we're considering Diaz the ultimate bad guy that Oliver has ever faced?! Really?! This is the problem when he's already gone up against Malcolm, Slade & Rhas, no matter who came after would look laughable and the fact we're supposed to believe a guy like Diaz is as formidable?

And before you tell me, well he's infiltrated all parts of the government. You know like has already been done before on this show consistently.

This is the worst. I need to erase this show off my DVR completely. Now John is siding with the 3 stooges?! Are you frickin' kidding me? They are now the 4 dumbest !$#@ in the entire Arrowverse.

I now officially hate this show.