@Mirabel said:

@Leo of Red Keep said:

Cersei was formally acclaimed to the throne without violence after the death of the previous king. She is the most legitimate ruler the Seven Kingdoms ever had.

Acclaimed by whom? Qyburn, backed by the Mountain? I don't remember anyone else acclaiming Cersei, other than a half-hearted echo of Qyburn's Long may she reign from some assembled courtiers who looked scared to death.

(I do agree with those who think Jon Snow is best suited to rule, but who knows if he'll even survive? It wouldn't surprise me if the Powers That Be decide on a queen instead of a king, for PC reasons.)

The crowd in the Throne Room might not have been numerous but anything about their state of mind is unsupported speculation. Actually, everyone holding some sort of power in King's Landing is now supporting Cersei because she is better than the anarchy and strife a power vacuum would bring. This is the very definition of legitimacy. You may think Jon or someone else would be a better ruler but Cersei was better than none and that makes her the rightful ruler.

chill heisenberger jeez. wtf Dany is a fictional character not your mother.

@rarebreed said:

I stopped rooting for Dany the moment she became arrogant towards her enemies. I don't like arrogance. Dany is the only ruler who brags about her successes.

shes the Donald Trump of Westeros......she had the biggest crowds at Mereen, the stock will do better at Kings Landing and she alone can defeat Dragonscale in 30 days

I'm surprised you didn't see it the moment she arose from the ashes with her babies, born again as The Dragon Queen. That look on her face revealed practically the whole story, she was going to be on top of the food chain and watch everyone else run around in their little ant farm. I like my arms otherwise I would bet one of them on Dany slowly turning into a tyrant. Not a crazy one like her father, she just wants what she's entitled to and she's using fancy words and her checkered past to justify her actions. Maybe a little bit of that innocent beauty too.

@Mirabel said:

@Leo of Red Keep said:

Cersei was formally acclaimed to the throne without violence after the death of the previous king. She is the most legitimate ruler the Seven Kingdoms ever had.

Acclaimed by whom? Qyburn, backed by the Mountain? I don't remember anyone else acclaiming Cersei, other than a half-hearted echo of Qyburn's Long may she reign from some assembled courtiers who looked scared to death.

(I do agree with those who think Jon Snow is best suited to rule, but who knows if he'll even survive? It wouldn't surprise me if the Powers That Be decide on a queen instead of a king, for PC reasons.)

I think that Cersei assumed power after Joffrey died.

"I think that Cersei assumed power after Joffrey died."

Nope. That was her weakest period, when the new king was dominated by Queen Margery and the high priest was looking for opportunities to humiliate her..

@diadara said:

I'm surprised you didn't see it the moment she arose from the ashes with her babies, born again as The Dragon Queen. That look on her face revealed practically the whole story, she was going to be on top of the food chain and watch everyone else run around in their little ant farm. I like my arms otherwise I would bet one of them on Dany slowly turning into a tyrant. Not a crazy one like her father, she just wants what she's entitled to and she's using fancy words and her checkered past to justify her actions. Maybe a little bit of that innocent beauty too.

She is a tyrant already. She has been all along and it became fully visible when she took Meereen. She's not mad at all, that's correct.

@CharlesTheBold said:

"I think that Cersei assumed power after Joffrey died."

Nope. That was her weakest period, when the new king was dominated by Queen Margery and the high priest was looking for opportunities to humiliate her..

Then she assumed power after that son committed suicide.

The truth of all this is that Dany is the real hero of GoT. Remember where she came from. She was the submissive sister of a zealot who whored her to a barbarian king in order to have his army. Remember he said to her "I don't care if you have to sleep with all his men and their horses, too; I will have my army." She rose above her whore station to become queen. Then truly came into her own when she survived the flames, emerging with three new born dragons. From that moment on it was a long slow climb to the Iron Throne. She has every right to be confident (do not mistake it for arrogance). Unless some unforeseen catastrophe befalls her, she will be the Queen of the 7 Kingdoms.

End of topic.

End of topic?? LOL hell no...

if GoT was a comic book Dany would be the hero but this used to be a great show where characters faced the consequences of their actions and nothing was certain. Now... not so much.

"if GoT was a comic book Dany would be the hero but this used to be a great show where characters faced the consequences of their actions and nothing was certain. Now... not so much".

How can we say that until the story is over? Her brutality at the battle may come back to haunt her.

It has to be noted that tyrion probably isnt tywins son, and tywin clearly suspected as much (it is more obvious in the books, but tyrion is meant to have blonde hair like the targaerans)

And the thing with dany is that she is a terrible ruler, seriously everything she has tried to run has turned to shit and rebellion, if it wasnt for her dragons she would be nothing. i would be surprised to see her on the iron throne at the end of the show, i still think it will be littlefinger :p

@Heisenberg12 said:

@rarebreed said:

I stopped rooting for Dany the moment she became arrogant towards her enemies. I don't like arrogance. Dany is the only ruler who brags about her successes.

So it's okay to poison, assassinate, and murder people as long as they're not arrogant? lol.

Good point.

Don't get me wrong, I understand Dany's position, she's built herself up from literally nothing having been sold off like a slave and acquired her dragons and army through much pain suffering and loss of life and she's trying to become ruler so bragging about her accomplishments is more of a qualifier to me than arrogance (a leader that doesn't remind people of what they've done risks having their accomplishments forgotten).

But I am hoping that this is will actually be a learning curve for Dany. I hope she comes to realize that in order to "break the wheel" there can be no more kings or queens. Establishing some kind of constitution and allowing the people to choose a leader is the only way to truly break the wheel.

@illnagas said:

Personally I just want the best show possible but...

Dany seems to be turning into a royal bîtch. bend the knee this. bend the knee that. Join me or die. Sounding more and more like the people she started out hating.

No she sounds like a medieval ruler. Queen Elisabeth of he lofty "Elisabethen Era" routinely burned those who would not follow her at the stake. That is how order was maintained - through brutality towards those who oppose or disagreed with you.

We're judging Dany (and all these GoT characters) buy our current standards. That means you folks have never really "gotten" the show or the world it has created. Why then do you watch? What is the "pull" for you if you do not understand the world these characters inhabit which directly influences their decisions? Just waiting for another Dany nude scene??

Yes I am suggesting you are ignorant of history, which even though this is part fantasy it is part medieval; and veering in some instances towards stupidity.