@superboy97 said:

@ilsommodante said:

On Wikipedia and other sites, these episodes AREN'T SORTED as S01E13 (or SEASON ONE PART 2), but as S02E01 (or SEASON 2).

Wikipedia is not an official site.

On the official Japanese site, this episode is listed as episode 13 as visible here and consequently should be listed in the same season in our site.

Are you really using an official 1st party source that specifically calls it "Season 2" and still using that as justification to list it as 1 season? You're dying on the stupidest hill.

@superboy97 said:

@ilsommodante said:

On Wikipedia and other sites, these episodes AREN'T SORTED as S01E13 (or SEASON ONE PART 2), but as S02E01 (or SEASON 2).

Wikipedia is not an official site.

On the official Japanese site, this episode is listed as episode 13 as visible here and consequently should be listed in the same season in our site.

The official site you linked to, clearly says "Season 2" at the top...

@superboy97 said:

@ilsommodante said:

On Wikipedia and other sites, these episodes AREN'T SORTED as S01E13 (or SEASON ONE PART 2), but as S02E01 (or SEASON 2).

Wikipedia is not an official site.

On the official Japanese site, this episode is listed as episode 13 as visible here and consequently should be listed in the same season in our site.

Thanx for the link.

I agree that (only on that site) is numbered ep. 13. However it is clear that EVEN THERE it belongs to SEASON TWO.

And, exactly as others pointed out, if you decide to enforce this ruling for this tv show, than you should do it for EVERY TV SHOW.

However, we all know that this ruling in unreasonable an that's why YOU DON'T ENFORCE IT in many other tv show, like ONEPIECE.

If you have decided to call it number 13, then do it. But at least put it UNDER SEASON TWO. Exactly how it is done for ONE PIECE and many other series.

Thanx.

@superboy97 said:

@ilsommodante said:

On Wikipedia and other sites, these episodes AREN'T SORTED as S01E13 (or SEASON ONE PART 2), but as S02E01 (or SEASON 2).

Wikipedia is not an official site.

On the official Japanese site, this episode is listed as episode 13 as visible here and consequently should be listed in the same season in our site.

I agree that it should follow the official structure, which is episode 13, but it's also Season 2 on the official Japanese site.

But displayed as SEASON 2!

We don’t care if the episode is number 13, 234, 3534534, or anything else. We want consistency, so it’s easy to understand what’s what. If the episode for Season 2 starts at 13, we don’t mind at all—on the contrary, we’d all be thrilled.

What you refuse to understand and keep ignoring is your attempt to convince yourselves that if it’s written as a continuation of episodes, it’s the same season. This is completely contrary to an intuitive user experience... It’s clearly written as SEASON 2 on the official Solo Leveling website, so CREATE THIS SEASON 2 THAT STARTS WITH EPISODE 13!

Hey SuperBoy, glad you finally decided this was worth a smidgen of your attention again, but unfortunately it seems like you're still deflecting instead of acknowledging the actual issue. Since my last reply was buried under a whopping 11 or so replies, you probably didn't read it, but I'm going to repost it, since I still think that it's the most concise post in this thread so far demonstrating how little sense your rules actually make.

You enforce your decision by stating "The rules are designed to respect the studio's creative decisions in numbering the first episode of Season 2 as Episode #13, indicating they want it to be seen as a single, continuous season of television" while plugging your ears and going "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" whenever it's pointed out how the studio has referred to the 2nd Season as such, labelling it as Season 2 on their website and even in the opening credits among other places, because those creative decisions don't fit your rigid and nonsensical rules. The decisions you decide are worth respecting are entirely at the whim of which decisions support your prior decisions, and any that don't are disregarded as irrelevant to the discussion.

If you really cared about making sure your database respects the decision of continuously numbered episodes as much as you claim, I would think you would have prioritized correcting the breadth of anime on your database that are divided into seasons despite being continuously numbered - you mentioned that there was only one guy who can do it, but given your intense commitment to respecting the creative decision of continuously numbering episodes, you'd think it would be a top priority to make sure that Attack on Titan is listed as one continuous season as the creators intended (while, of course, ignoring the constant seasonal breaks and branding, such as Attack on Titan: The Final Season or the big message on the official website stating "Seasons 1-3 are now available on all streaming sites"). I mean, otherwise, if it's not a big deal, then why can't the rules be adjusted, or exceptions be made when the studio clearly considers it to be an individual season? Get on it, Travis, this is a really big deal with zero room for flexibility!!!!

I'll also reiterate that your own Anime Guidelines are contradictory.

Original Order

The main guidelines for animes are the same as with any other type of series. Our goal is to replicate how the TV series were originally released on their original network.

My understanding of this is that your main goal is to make sure it's reflected on the database as it was released - naturally, shows like Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z should be presented as you are trying to present Solo Leveling - they should not only be separate show entries, but one continuous season for each - this makes sense, given they were presented with separate titles and as separate shows, despite airing only a week apart, but also that there were no breaks and the shows both aired continuously from start to finish, as was how most anime was produced at this time.

On the other hand, the episode numbering has no impact on how the show was released - Yes, S2E1 of Solo Leveling is listed as Episode #13, however was released months after the conclusion of season 1, and was released under the banner and title of Solo Leveling Season 2. Your decision on this matter is contradicting what your anime guidelines state to be the guidelines goal. It didn't seem to follow any of the Cour formats you list, instead following more like the Western seasonal release schedule, airing during the Jan - Mar Cour and not returning until the same time the following year, so it wouldn't make sense to insist that it is one continuous season divided up by Cours - and if we can call skipping 3 Cours in a row "Split Cour", then we can call skipping 8 Cours before return "Split Cour", and at that point the term has lost all meaning, making that rule useless and always in favour of listing anime as a single season no matter what.

On another note, after reviewing these rules more closely, you've gotta merge Naruto and Naruto Shippūden as per the rules regarding "Sequel series" while you're taking care of all the other continuously numbered anime. Also, everything I said above about Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z should be ignored, those have to be one series because Z is a direct continuation. (If you haven't noticed yet, your rules are nonsensical and self-contradicting, and need serious adjusting. This issue is far from resolved.)

Has it ever been considered that maybe the fact that S2E1 of Solo Leveling is listed as Episode 13 is simply because that is how things are typically done in Japan, and while many anime have more recently embraced the Seasonal release model of the west, they prefer to ensure that it's clear what number of the overall episode of a series is for any given episode in a season?

I do just find it funny how a studio can say "This is Season 2. We took nearly a full year between the end of Season 1 and the start of Season 2. Our website lists it as Season 2. The intro lists it as Season 2. It has a special subtitle to distinguish it from Season 1 as another, distinct chunk of the story. But our website it going to list the first episode of this second season as the 13th overall episode so that it's place in the series is clear" and you guys just go "NONE OF THAT MATTERS EXCEPT FOR THAT SMALL INSIGNIFICANT DETAIL AT THE END THAT PROVES OUR POINT AND JUSTIFIES OUR STUBBORNNESS"

Addendum - previously in this thread, you guys previously seemed absolutely dumbfounded in at how you could possibly reconcile the fact that there are multiple seasons, but Season 2 Episode 1 is listed as Episode #13, acting as if this was some kind of impossible task we were asking of you -

"Per the regular TV guidelines, the first episode of a season is always episode 1 and nothing else. How can the first episode of "Season 2 -Arise from the Shadow-" be the 13th episode of the season if it's the first episode of the season?"

"And once again, TV anime entries are not exempt from the regular TV guidelines, which say the first episode of a season is always episode 1. Episode #13 can't be the first episode of a season if it's episode #13."

I would like to direct your attention to Hunter x Hunter, where it's quite literally a non-issue and you guys have already accomplished this. Season 2 of Hunter x Hunter spans episode #63 - #136. This is doable, it's been done, you guys are just being insanely weird about this for seemingly no reason. I'm sure that literally nobody has ever gone in Season 2 of Hunter x Hunter and assumed that Season 2 alone had 136 episodes and that the database was missing 62 of them.

We're begging you, amend the rules - they are backwards, self contradictory, and there has not been a single user of your site that has defended them, only the mod team, and it's seemingly out of nothing but stubbornness as opposed to a desire to actually have the site function efficiently. This entire thread only exists because of ego

I had to switch to TVDB due to their unreasonable policies. It’s frustrating that there isn’t a better alternative where the community can focus its efforts instead.

...and of course we keep getting ignored here. :(