@NeoLosman said:

But, in addition to what I've mentioned before, I'll add, who says he didn't contemplate

The final scene in the movie. He didn't so much as imply that he had any thoughts about abolishing more plantations, just as he did Candyland

While the camera was rolling. But the characters did not cease to exist. Nothing materially indicates that, 2 minutes after the credits, he didn't start laying out all his plans.

You made a point - tenuous, but I acknowledged it. This is just reaching.

@NeoLosman said:

It's reaching to infer that Django may have harbored thoughts of linking up with the wider abolitionist movement in some way, when he never so much as hinted at a desire to do so at any point in the movie. All available evidence points to him having no ambitions beyond getting Brunhilda, then living out his days with her

I didn't infer, I said there's no material proof either way.

That means, any of the possible outcomes I mentioned are just as l likely as what you presumed.

Which means, why bother with this entire line of speculation?

Can we just drop it now? Everything we've written to this point is not likely to benefit from any further belabouring and should be able to stand as is.

The movie is not about a freedom fighter. It is simply about a man trying to save his wife, simple as that. The scene where the slaves are watching him ride away admiringly is to send the message that, "Hey, you know what? If he can do it, so can we!" and that's it. All the lies they have been told their whole life about being sub human and "You can't do that boy" was all BS. Django gave them a glimmer of hope.

D’Artagnan motherfuckers!!

@DRDMovieMusings said:

I'm arguing that I'd like to see Candyland burn down, but conservative rhetoric from white supremacists of every color keeps us going around and around so that, in effect, sadly, there will always be a Candyland.

A question: if these people you mention are of "every color," meaning some of them are non-white, how can those non-white people be "white supremacists?"

@CelluloidFan said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

I'm arguing that I'd like to see Candyland burn down, but conservative rhetoric from white supremacists of every color keeps us going around and around so that, in effect, sadly, there will always be a Candyland.

A question: if these people you mention are of "every color," meaning some of them are non-white, how can those non-white people be "white supremacists?"

Good question!

Straight answer is, being a white supremacist is not necessarily the same as being white.

If you've never personally grappled with this question, you have some work to do, regardless what colour your skin is. Here's some help - "Is there a difference between being white and being a white supremacist?" https://link.medium.com/le3wTS1rQxb

[Edit] P. S. Stephen and Schultz illustrated this. Stephen was Black, yet he was dying to maintain the status quo of white supremacy. Schultz was white, yet he was not a white supremacist, dying in the fight against it. As a Black person, I'd trust Shultz before Stephen every day of the week. "Skin ain't kin."

But read the article for real-life examples that should have you saying "ah, right" again and again. The article argues that clarity on this issue is crucial to constructive discourse, so let's get on the same page.

@NeoLosman said:

@CelluloidFan said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

I'm arguing that I'd like to see Candyland burn down, but conservative rhetoric from white supremacists of every color keeps us going around and around so that, in effect, sadly, there will always be a Candyland.

A question: if these people you mention are of "every color," meaning some of them are non-white, how can those non-white people be "white supremacists?"

"White Supremacist" now means "Anyone who's just as skeptical of Ibram X Kendi and Robin DeAngelo as they are of the sort of drivel one hears out of F--ker Carlson and Tomi Lahren's mouths"

Oh.

I respectfully disagree.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

If you've never personally grappled with this question, you have some work to do, regardless what colour your skin is. Here's some help - "Is there a difference between being white and being a white supremacist?" https://link.medium.com/le3wTS1rQxb

Thanks for the article. I found it to be dead on. Dude did a great job breaking it down. I wish stuff like that would make itself into mainstream media. I overheard a lady at work a couple of years back complaining about the taking down of confederate monuments and she was preaching that "That's history blah blah blah and heritage blah blah blah" . It took every ounce of my will to not pipe up about it. The work place ain't really a good place to be talking about that stuff but I am the type who finds it hard to STFU. It's not out of malice but more out of a desire to open people's eyes. That lady didn't seem like she was inherently evil, just misguided by the BS propaganda found in the mainstream media.

@movie_nazi said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

If you've never personally grappled with this question, you have some work to do, regardless what colour your skin is. Here's some help - "Is there a difference between being white and being a white supremacist?" https://link.medium.com/le3wTS1rQxb

Thanks for the article.

Thanks for taking time to read through it.

I found it to be dead on. Dude did a great job breaking it down.

Thanks for sharing this feedback.

I'm hoping we can look forward to some feedback from @CelluloidFan, since he's the one who asked the question, and presuming it was asked in good faith and really was interested in an answer exploring his question.

I wish stuff like that would make itself into mainstream media.

Working on it!

I overheard a lady at work a couple of years back complaining about the taking down of confederate monuments and she was preaching that "That's history blah blah blah and heritage blah blah blah" . It took every ounce of my will to not pipe up about it. The work place ain't really a good place to be talking about that stuff but I am the type who finds it hard to STFU. It's not out of malice but more out of a desire to open people's eyes. That lady didn't seem like she was inherently evil, just misguided by the BS propaganda found in the mainstream media.

Yep. It was written out of reflecting on the common experience of getting into a conversation with people and wanting to have a cogent line of reasoning to guide the conversation constructively.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@movie_nazi said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

If you've never personally grappled with this question, you have some work to do, regardless what colour your skin is. Here's some help - "Is there a difference between being white and being a white supremacist?" https://link.medium.com/le3wTS1rQxb

Thanks for the article.

Thanks for taking time to read through it.

Here's some feedback. I have not taken the time to read the linked article yet -- frankly, its specific topic doesn't interest me. I have a huge difference of opinion with it. You may not be aware of this, but there's a glut of writers putting out books who actually seek to make profits by writing exhaustive, self-indulgent, and often confusing tomes about the ages-old problem of Racism. I am not convinced that many of them give a whit about actually solving the problem of Racism, though.

I found it to be dead on. Dude did a great job breaking it down.

Thanks for sharing this feedback.

I'm hoping we can look forward to some feedback from @CelluloidFan, since he's the one who asked the question, and presuming it was asked in good faith and really was interested in an answer exploring his question.

That's why this post exists.

I wish stuff like that would make itself into mainstream media.

Working on it!

I overheard a lady at work a couple of years back complaining about the taking down of confederate monuments and she was preaching that "That's history blah blah blah and heritage blah blah blah" . It took every ounce of my will to not pipe up about it. The work place ain't really a good place to be talking about that stuff but I am the type who finds it hard to STFU. It's not out of malice but more out of a desire to open people's eyes. That lady didn't seem like she was inherently evil, just misguided by the BS propaganda found in the mainstream media.

To write more extensively, I'll share that I believe one of my favorite non-white writers, bell hooks, may have also written that there are "white supremacists" who are non-white. Of course, I don't wish to misattribute ideas to hooks. My personal favorite writer on this topic is Neely Fuller, Jr. I'd love to relate to you that one of my favorite statements from Fuller's Textbook has to do with not confusing comfort with justice, yeah? I can also relate that as a resident of the South, I sometimes feel some discomfort in having to abide by confederate monuments and streets being in existence within my state. However, it's only discomfort. I repeat: it's only discomfort.

The reason why I chose to question the idea of there being white supremacists who are non-white is: I am serious about resolving the problem of Racism. And I think that if others are too, they are going to have to roll up their sleeves, work through confusion, and even deal with personal discomfort (if need be) in struggling to solve the damn issue!

Yep. It was written out of reflecting on the common experience of getting into a conversation with people and wanting to have a cogent line of reasoning to guide the conversation constructively.

All of my writings in this thread about Racism were intended to be constructive.

@CelluloidFan said:

Here's some feedback. I have not taken the time to read the linked article yet -- frankly, the topic doesn't interest me.

If the topic doesn't interest you, why bother asking the question? Ah, because you're an annoying troll.

The reason why I chose to question the idea of there being white supremacists who are non-white is: I am serious about resolving the problem of Racism. And I think that if others are too, they are going to have to roll up their sleeves, work through confusion, and even deal with personal discomfort (if need be) in struggling to solve the damn issue!

If you really believed that, you'd have checked out the link.

You're just empty talk, an annoying troll asking questions the topics of and answers to which you're not even interested.

"Let's talk. I just want to ask a question, I just want to understand. Explain to me...prove to me..." Sealioning BS.

Around and around and around. There'll always be a Candyland.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@CelluloidFan said:

Here's some feedback. I have not taken the time to read the linked article yet -- frankly, the topic doesn't interest me.

If the topic doesn't interest you, why bother asking the question? Ah, because you're an annoying troll.

The reason why I chose to question the idea of there being white supremacists who are non-white is: I am serious about resolving the problem of Racism. And I think that if others are too, they are going to have to roll up their sleeves, work through confusion, and even deal with personal discomfort (if need be) in struggling to solve the damn issue!

If you really believed that, you'd have checked out the link.

You're just empty talk, an annoying troll asking questions the topics of and answers to which you're not even interested.

"Let's talk. I just want to ask a question, I just want to understand. Explain to me...prove to me..." Sealioning BS.

Around and around and around. There'll always be a Candyland.

I'm displeased to disapoint you with my response, DRD... apparently, you don't want to be annoyed, and so you disagr e with Fuller's thinking having to do with personal discomfort in the process of producing justice and the like. So sorry! I will leave you alone now.

@CelluloidFan said:

I'm displeased to disapoint you with my response, DRD...

No, you're not.

apparently, you don't want to be annoyed, and so you disagr e with Fuller's thinking having to do with personal discomfort in the process of producing justice and the like.

This is textbook sealioning. Thanks, at least, for showing yourself.

Please turn down the heat, or just let the conflict go, gentlemen.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

apparently, you don't want to be annoyed, and so you disagr e with Fuller's thinking having to do with personal discomfort in the process of producing justice and the like.

This is textbook sealioning. Thanks, at least, for showing yourself.

"Sealioning?" I've never heard the term in my life, I'm afraid. At any rate, I will abide by the moderator's suggestion in replying to you.

My post that you quoted wasn't entirely addressing your words, DRDMovieMusings, but you practically insulted me as if I had talked badly about your mother in it. I also replied to "movie-nazi" and his or her words about the confederate monuments that've been controversial for years now, as well. Your response was telling, too, or at least, in my opinion it was.

have a nice night.

@CelluloidFan said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

apparently, you don't want to be annoyed, and so you disagr e with Fuller's thinking having to do with personal discomfort in the process of producing justice and the like.

This is textbook sealioning. Thanks, at least, for showing yourself.

"Sealioning?" I've never heard the term in my life, I'm afraid. At any rate, I will abide by the moderator's suggestion in replying to you.

My post that you quoted wasn't entirely addressing your words, DRDMovieMusings, but you practically insulted me as if I had talked badly about your motjher in it. I also replied to "movie-nazi" and his or her words about the confederate monuments that've been controversial for years now, as well. Your response was telling, too, or at least, in my opinion.

have a nice night.

From Merriam-Webster:

Sealioning refers to the disingenuous action by a commenter of making an ostensible effort to engage in sincere and serious civil debate, usually by asking persistent questions of the other commenter.